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User Info & Date |
Comments |
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2011-07-13
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 93.50.2.XX
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not paying
,.I..
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2011-07-10
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 41.91.183.XX
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My withdrawal has been pending for more than 12h now....I
think that is the end for this program
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2011-07-10
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@hotmail.com
IP: 175.141.8.XX
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pending...pending...still pending!
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2011-07-09
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 41.155.38.XXX
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very good
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2011-07-08
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 117.252.64.X
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PINVEST STOPPED PAYING. Payments are pending for more than
48 hours. No reply from the admin for the request mails. DO
NOT INVEST. Program is going to run soon. Presently, it
seems to be paying to the monitors only.
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2011-07-08
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 95.103.116.XXX
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Next payment received! Great
program!
Not fake! See screenshot to
Talkgold!
Payment Details
Date: July 08, 2011 2:27:57 AM
Amount Sent: $89.98 USD
Sender Name: Michael Widjaja
Reference Number: DE8F4-14F07
Message: Withdraw%20to%20Hyipmonitoring%20from%20Pinvest
Thank admin
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2011-07-07
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 95.103.116.XXX
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Next payment received! Great program!
Not fake! See screenshot to Talkgold!
Payment Details
Date: July 07, 2011 4:27:51 AM
Amount Sent: $90.01 USD
Sender Name: Michael Widjaja
Reference Number: 8A856-23EAB
Message: Withdraw%20to%20Hyipmonitoring%20from%20Pinvest
Thank admin
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2011-07-05
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 182.53.201.XXX
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No problem and delay in the payment process
07/05/2011 14:36 64826318 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $5.00
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2011-07-05
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.206.156.XXX
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Thank You
07/05/2011 10:20 64814637 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $7.00
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2011-07-05
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 194.213.104.XX
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Date: 2011-04-07 21:15:32
Batch: 64781433
From Account: U5516704
Amount: $1.80
Memo: Withdraw to from Pinvest
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2011-07-05
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.254.XXX
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Payment received again! 07/05/2011 08:24 64805459 U5516704
(Pinvest) + $12.00
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2011-07-05
e-mail: XXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 124.120.165.XXX
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Amount: $7.00
Date: 07/05/2011 07:52
Batch: 64803586
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $7.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-07-04
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 110.168.76.XX
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Amount: $21.00
07/04/2011 11:46 64745400 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $21.00
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2011-07-04
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 58.8.230.XXX
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You have received a payment to your account:
Date: 7/4/2011 8:48 AM
Batch: 64732566
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $7.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-07-04
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.205.159.XXX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 07/04/2011 09:49
Batch: 64736318
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $5.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-07-04
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.252.XXX
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Payment received again! 07/04/2011 07:11 64727091 U5516704
(Pinvest) $8.00
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2011-07-04
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 101.109.189.XXX
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Date: 7/4/2011 7:18 AM
Batch: 64727482
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $12.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-07-04
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 174.141.226.X
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not paying juxt to monitors closed my account no reply to
emails.
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2011-07-03
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 183.89.161.XX
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Looks like a great site!
07/03/2011 13:21 64689643 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $8.00
|
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2011-07-03
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 174.141.226.X
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scam.my account is still closed for no reason no reply to
emails
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2011-07-03
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 110.168.76.XXX
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Amount: $10.50
Date: 07/03/2011 09:01
Batch: 64682832
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $10.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-07-03
e-mail: XXXXXX@hotmail.com
IP: 1.148.213.XXX
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Pinvest is a scam!!! All the votes here that say Pinvest is
paying are fake!!! They did not pay me and will not answer
messages. SCAM - DO NOT INVEST HERE!!!
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2011-07-03
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.204.7.XX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 07/03/2011 07:40
Batch: 64680521
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $7.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-07-03
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 101.109.69.XXX
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You have received a payment to your account:
Date: 7/3/2011 6:27 AM
Batch: 64678379
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $12.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-07-03
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 85.133.212.XXX
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They dont pay back your principla I asked and they closed my
account no reply to emails
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2011-07-02
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 49.49.110.XXX
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Thank You
07/02/2011 10:22 64634237 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $10.00
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2011-07-02
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 194.213.104.XX
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Date: 2011-02-07 13:07:22
Batch: 64643421
From Account: U5516704
Amount: $2.40
Memo: Withdraw to stepstep from Pinvest
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2011-07-02
e-mail: XXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 124.120.238.XX
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Amount: $15.00
Date: 07/02/2011 08:39
Batch: 64629178
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $15.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-07-02
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.240.XX
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Payment received again! 07/02/2011 08:11 64627976 U5516704
(Pinvest) $2.00
|
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2011-07-02
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.205.154.XX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 7/2/2011 7:29 AM
Batch: 64626237
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $7.55
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-07-02
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 27.130.171.XXX
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Looks like a great site!
07/02/2011 07:11 64624878 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $7.00
|
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2011-07-02
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 174.141.226.X
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they easily eat up your hard earned money without any
explanation.Is it fair for a program who clames trading and
earning money? How can a person be so cruel to close an
account and not pay the hard earned money of the people?????
shame on you,
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2011-07-01
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 174.141.226.X
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shame on you send fake votes and rob peoples hard earned
mmoney.
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2011-07-01
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.207.94.XXX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 07/01/2011 10:09
Batch: 64562921
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $10.55
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-07-01
e-mail: XXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 124.122.148.XXX
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Amount: $11.00
Date: 07/01/2011 10:08
Batch: 64562808
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $11.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-07-01
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 41.155.74.XXX
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Come and invest here and you will be Siling Everyday as l'm
doing. The Admin., is also Friendly. Try them and you will
be Happy.
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2011-07-01
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.240.XX
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Payment received again! 07/01/2011 08:38 64557093 U5516704
(Pinvest) + $14.00
|
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2011-07-01
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 27.130.85.XX
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Looks like a great site!
07/01/2011 08:51 64557928 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $4.00
|
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2011-07-01
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 110.77.250.XXX
|
Paid Me
07/01/2011 08:19 64555592 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $5.00
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2011-06-30
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 110.168.76.XXX
|
Amount: $9.00
Date 06/30/2011 10:37
Batch 64485326
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $9.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-06-30
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 101.109.139.XX
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No problem and delay in the payment process
06/30/2011 09:16 64480166 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $10.00
|
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2011-06-30
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.207.136.XX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 6/30/2011 8:11 AM
Batch: 64476109
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $4.55
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-06-30
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.251.XX
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Payment received again! 06/30/2011 07:42 64474644 U5516704
(Pinvest) + $17.00
|
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2011-06-30
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 27.130.167.XXX
|
Looks like a great site!
06/30/2011 07:35 64474310 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $7.00
|
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2011-06-29
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.206.96.XX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 06/29/2011 10:32
Batch: 64402649
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $5.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-06-29
e-mail: XXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 124.122.188.XX
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Amount: $8.00
Date: 06/29/2011 08:43
Batch: 64395696
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $8.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-06-29
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 182.53.207.XXX
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No problem and delay in the payment process
06/29/2011 09:31 64398620 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $16.00
|
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2011-06-29
e-mail: XXXXXX@hotmail.com
IP: 58.171.191.XXX
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Pinvest have not acknowledged my earnings and will not
answer emails. Do not invest with this company as all the
good votes are fake - they are a scam. Do not invest money
here!!!!
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2011-06-29
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 27.130.143.XX
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Looks like a great site!
06/29/2011 07:42 64391720 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $4.00
|
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2011-06-29
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.249.XXX
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Payment received again! 06/29/2011 06:47 64388776 U5516704
(Pinvest) + $12.00
|
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2011-06-28
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 194.213.104.XX
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Date: 2011-28-06 16:10:14
Batch: 64347017
From Account: U5516704
Amount: $3.60
Memo: Withdraw to stepstep from Pinvest
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2011-06-28
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.207.75.XXX
|
Date 06/28/2011 07:12
Batch 64309056
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $7.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
Very good job.
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2011-06-28
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.204.243.XXX
|
Next fast payment received again
Date: 6/28/2011 06:27 AM
Batch: 64306758
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $12.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-06-28
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 101.109.132.XX
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No problem and delay in the payment process
06/28/2011 05:27 64303394 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $11.00
|
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2011-06-28
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.25.108.XX
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Received My Payment
Date: 6/28/2011 4:08 AM
Batch: 64299236
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $2.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-06-28
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.240.XX
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Payment received again!
06/28/2011 03:51 64296840 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $6.00
|
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2011-06-27
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.205.157.XXX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 6/27/2011 11:01 AM
Batch: 64243344
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $6.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-06-27
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 65.49.14.XX
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scam scam scam .they dont pay my principal closed my account
after request
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2011-06-27
e-mail: XXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 124.122.151.XXX
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Amount: $9.00
Date: 6/27/2011 8:56 AM
Batch: 64234893
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $9.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-06-27
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 182.53.199.XXX
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No problem and delay in the payment process
06/27/2011 07:51 64230758 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $4.00
|
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2011-06-27
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.206.77.XXX
|
Thank You
Date: 6/27/2011 06:58 AM
Batch: 64227158
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $8.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-06-26
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 85.185.105.XXX
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scam.they dont pay my principal .they dont answer the emails
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2011-06-26
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.6.XXX
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No problem and delay in the payment process
06/26/2011 05:07 64175414 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $9.00
|
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2011-06-26
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.206.56.XXX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 6/26/2011 4:49 AM
Batch: 64173516
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $2.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-06-26
e-mail: XXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 124.120.94.XXX
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Amount: $7.00
Date: 06/26/2011 05:50
Batch: 64174830
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $7.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
|
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2011-06-26
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 183.89.57.X
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Looks like a great site!
06/26/2011 05:40 64174595 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $3.00
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2011-06-26
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 10.0.1.XX
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Paid Me
06/26/2011 04:38 64173267 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $8.00
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2011-06-26
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.207.149.XXX
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Date: 6/26/2011 3:35 AM
Batch: 64169124
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $5.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
Very good job.
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2011-06-25
e-mail: XXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.8.XX
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No problem and delay in the payment process
06/25/2011 10:54 64131958 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $13.00
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2011-06-25
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 14.207.226.XXX
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Looks like a great site!
06/25/2011 09:21 64127261 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $15.00
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2011-06-25
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.204.6.XXX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 2011-25-06 08:47:21
Batch: 64125388
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $6.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-06-25
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 10.0.1.XX
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Paid Me
06/25/2011 08:24 64124165 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $7.00
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2011-06-25
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.242.XXX
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Payment received again! 06/25/2011 04:58 64115606 U5516704
(Pinvest) + $5.00
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2011-06-24
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.204.107.XXX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 6/24/2011 9:43 AM
Batch: 64052107
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $6.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-06-24
e-mail: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.205.181.X
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Thank You
Date: 6/24/2011 10:23 AM
Batch: 64054802
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $3.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-06-24
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 115.87.113.XXX
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Amount: $11.00
Date: 2011-24-06 07:17:21
Batch: 64042605
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $11.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-06-24
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 27.130.109.XXX
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Looks like a great site!
06/24/2011 01:43 64026333 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $18.00
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2011-06-24
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.251.XXX
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Payment received again! 06/24/2011 09:36 64051610 U5516704
(Pinvest) + $10.00
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2011-06-24
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 85.133.214.XX
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still not paying closed my account
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2011-06-23
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 41.155.48.XXX
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Thank you the Admin., l compain, you listen,and took action
Promptly. my account is Ok now, my Profit is Also paid
immediately. Whay a Nice and Reliable Place to invest. l
recommend herefor investment.
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2011-06-23
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 85.133.212.XXX
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my account is still closed no answer to emails...they are
not paying
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2011-06-23
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 49.49.81.XX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 6/23/2011 9:26 AM
Batch: 63969309
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $5.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-06-23
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 27.130.97.XXX
|
Looks like a great site!
06/23/2011 09:55 63971247 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $8.00
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2011-06-23
e-mail: XXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 115.87.87.XXX
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Amount: $6.00
Date: 2011-23-06 07:53:33
Batch: 63962970
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $6.00
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-06-23
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.252.XX
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Payment received again! 06/23/2011 00:36 63942219 U5516704
(Pinvest) + $7.00
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2011-06-23
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.206.66.XX
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You have received a payment to your account:
Date: 2011-23-06 08:18:48
Batch: 63964902
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $3.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-06-23
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXX@hotmail.com
IP: 184.255.229.XX
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My account and the acct of another investor was closed with
no warning and the admin will not answer emails. Beware!
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2011-06-23
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXX@bellsouth.net
IP: 172.19.131.XX
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Cant log into my account the past 2 days
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2011-06-22
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 101.109.68.XX
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You have received a payment to your account:
Date: 6/22/2011 9:30 AM
Batch: 63885572
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $18.50
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-06-22
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 85.133.213.XXX
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my account is still closed for no reson they dont answer the
emails
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2011-06-22
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 65.49.14.XX
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They pay monitors to end fake votes .If they are really
paying why dont pay me and why they are silent?why dont they
open my account and why dont talk to me?
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2011-06-22
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 223.205.158.XX
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Next fast payment received again
Date: 6/22/2011 8:32 AM
Batch: 63881546
From Account: U5516704 (Pinvest)
Amount: $8.55
Memo: Pinvest Payment
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2011-06-22
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 110.77.235.XXX
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Paid Me
06/22/2011 09:39 63886118 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $4.00
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2011-06-22
e-mail: XXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 183.89.217.XX
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Looks like a great site!
06/22/2011 08:06 63880052 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $9.00
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2011-06-22
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.240.XX
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Payment received again! 06/22/2011 06:55 63876113 U5516704
(Pinvest) + $5.00
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2011-06-21
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 65.49.2.XX
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They have closed my account as soon as I asked for my
principal .These votes are fake.they dont reply me too.
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2011-06-21
e-mail: XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
IP: 174.141.226.X
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Hi people ..These good votes are fake .they are decieving
people.they dont pay. they even dont reply
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2011-06-21
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 125.27.253.XXX
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Payment received again!
Date: 6/21/2011 8:44 AM
Batch: 63797460
From Account: U5516704
Amount: $3.00
Memo: Withdraw from Pinvest
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2011-06-21
e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 10.0.1.XX
|
Paid me
06/21/2011 08:41 63797274 U5516704 (Pinvest) + $8.00
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2011-06-21
e-mail: XXXXXX@gmail.com
IP: 124.120.167.XXX
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Amount: $8.00
Date: 6/21/2011 8:26 AM
Batch: 63796522
From Account: U5516704
Amount: $8.00
Memo: Withdraw from Pinvest
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